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Big surprise, huh?

Especially when it is the left that is always accusing their "opponents" of "doctoring" audio and video.

Consider their broadcast of George Zimmerman's 911 call in which they specifically edited it to make it appear Zimmerman was a racist:

MSNBC's "version" of what Zimmerman told a police dispatcher from his car:

ZIMMERMAN: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. . . he looks black.”

What he really said:

ZIMMERMAN: "This guy looks like he’s up to no good, or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.

911 DISPATCHER: "Okay, is this guy, is he white, black, or Hispanic?"

ZIMMERMAN: "He looks black."

Oh, gee ... MSNBC edited out the part where the dispatcher ASKS Zimmerman for a description. I wonder why? And WHO is responsible?

Come on! Is there any doubt the MSNBC version intentionally creates a false impression ... and why would they do that? To incite hatred against Zimmerman ... to make the killing of Trayvon look like a hate crime ... to promote more racial conflict?

Virtually everything reported, except the facts reported in the LOCAL Florida news outlets, have been wrong, misleading, inflammatory and agenda-driven. It's what the liberal media do.

Meanwhile, the New Black Panther is offering a bounty for the capture of Zimmerman, inflammatory rehtoric is being spewed from the mouths of the usual suspects, Hollywood celebs are posting bogus addresses on twitter, and everyone from the president, Attorney General, the media, down to the local law enforcement agencies seem to be sleepwalking as tensions rise.

Oh, and don't forget Bobby Rush, a former original Black Panther, donning a hoodie and sunglasses in the House of Representatives to give a weird meandering address out of order (which is praised by former Speaker Nancy Pelosi) ... and right on cue there is a shooting in his district by a hoodie-wearing gunman in which several "unidentified" young men are shot and at least one killed.

I wonder if there were any "White Hispanics" involved?

One of the most difficult problems in dealing with controversial issues is the left's blatant attempt to spread misinformation and disinformation, to help create opinions and move public information into a pre-determined direction.

Those who try to deal with FACTS are constantly having to "try" to convince people that so much of what they "know" isn't true.

And the reason that it is even harder is because the mainstream media have abandoned even the pretense of being objective.

Truly dispicable.

Incidentally, after people started publicizing what MSNBC did that put up the correct version without comment.

What's the old saying? A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth puts on his pants?

Be skeptical of anything the mainstream media feed you.

Don't believe their version of facts and events until you can prove them for yourself.



( 26 comments — Leave a comment )
Apr. 1st, 2012 04:44 am (UTC)
One mans trash...
So when James O'Keefe is caught doctoring tapes it's OK and he is a journalistic sweetheart.

When MSNBC (which is kind of a joke as a news service) does it, they're advancing their agenda.

Sharpton is a cartoon. Sometimes he makes good points, but he is a lightning rod. It is no less silly than Huck or the huge stable of former Republican figureheads being pulled into Faux "news" to be (ha ha ha ha ha) experts. They are CERTAINLY not pushing an agenda there... nooooo... they aren't ideologues in any way... no.

Can't remember the last time I even watched MSNBC - but I 'm sure I will be accused of being a fan.

Apr. 1st, 2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
This particular act of doctoring is leading to massive demonstrations, and could easily lead to riot and murder.
Apr. 1st, 2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
The actions that result from the doctoring doesn't change that it is not OK for EITHER of them.

Those that murder or riot answer for themselves.

Apr. 2nd, 2012 04:11 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
Almost all of the information initially released has been shown to have been misleading, corrupted or just plain wrong, from the 5-year old picture of the young man shot (he was a 6'2" 17 year old, to the fact that he was not apparently "just walking down the street" but was somewhere inside the "gated community" (perhaps to get out of the rain?).

No one is telling.

Even that "gated community" description needs commenting because it is multi-racial and approximately 47% white.

Just as in the Jena Six case the facts took a back seat to the agenda.

Cooler heads could have prevailed but almost everyone from the president on down who has sought to exploit this tragedy has only poured fuel on what did not have to be a fire.
Apr. 2nd, 2012 04:13 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
Exactly how did James O'Keefe bring down ACORN with "doctored tapes"?
Apr. 2nd, 2012 12:35 pm (UTC)
Re: prt 1 ACORN
In reviewing O'Keefe's unedited tapes one finds that the portrayal in the videos of him all pimped out as he was interviewed by ACORN simply didn't happen.

"Embarrassingly, I was actually impressed when I first saw the videos, but quickly concluded that I'd been had -- that critics were correct in charging that certain editing decisions were egregiously misleading."

oh and this one's good too - from the Atlantic:

"There is no doubt that O'Keefe disseminated only the material that supported his thesis about Acorn, but this kind of selectivity is the norm in advocacy journalism. "

I have read the Atlantic and reviewed the tapes I could (at the time when it still interested me) and also read the report from the State of California Attorney General's office (there's a link you can go read it yourself since you won't believe me). It clearly defend these comments - and I have read it noted that this report and it's findings.

The police in CA have also confirmed that directly after the meeting with O'Keefe the ACORN rep called a relative (a police officer) and advised him of the situation he was being presented with and that he had milked the conversation with the intention of finding out as much as he could and turn it over to the authorities - confirmed by the local police.

One of the women in the O'Keefe tapes claims that she had NO IDEA what to make of the couple and kept talking to try to figure out what they were up to. She thought they were a joke. 30 min AFTER O'Keefe left they called the police. Her delay was due to them not knowing if this was for real or not and that she was not sure they had any responsibility in the situation and was concerned about (paraphrasing) about her uneasiness of the situation and not really knowing how to proceed.

O'Keefe doesn't tell any of this - never does follow up, and portrays it in his videos as if it never happened - yet the calls to the police (at least some) have been confirmed. Very misleading - plus he contends in the videos and in later interviews that no one did anything - a detail that he doesn't really know as is plain to see in the California report.

What the videos actually show is poor judgement and poor training on how to handle lunatics.

(ps where are my responses? you demand from me? Where are mine?)
Apr. 3rd, 2012 02:43 am (UTC)
Re: prt 1 ACORN
That is called "puffing" in the trade. It's for marketing.

Is that all you have.

You know you didn't watch all those unedited tapes ... just assembled the talking points from left-wing blogs like media matters and daily kos and such.

Is that all you have? The evidence was OVERWHELMING and anyone from New Orleans, the birthplace of ACORN, could tell you about their methods and tricks to get people $$$$$. It's common knowledge how the operate to defraud the taxpayers.

Sorry Mike. Respond to every bit of misinformation and gobbledygook you provide? I live in the real world with information and facts I present which you reject as bogus at every turn - no matter how clearly factual they are.

I've told you before. When someone doesn't even accept unquestioned gacts, the plain unadulterated truth, it's useless to go any further.

Gee ... it must be so boring for you liberals to talk among yourselves in your litt;e echo chambers. ;-)

Apr. 3rd, 2012 03:01 am (UTC)
Re: prt 1 ACORN
You have no idea
Apr. 3rd, 2012 04:52 am (UTC)
Re: prt 1 ACORN
Noticed that you did not refute anything I posted.

Also noted that you reposted on prt 1 not prt 2

also noted the distraction technique... it didn't work.

We both have our opinions of O'Keefe. Nothing will change that... until he really screws up - which I am sure he will - but even then you will just say he was set up... your standard answer on this stuff (want me to go back and pull the list of conservatives that have been caught doing stupid things and you have claimed they were set up or being railroaded etc... because conservatives NEVER do anything wrong... and THAT is why I make fun... you really don't get that they represent their gang of thieves and not you.

A serious question... I admit and have never denied that I am an Independent Moderate with strong left leanings. Why is it so difficult for you to accept or understand that a person can be Independent of the parties and not like EITHER of them. I have shown you little to no support for ANY of the liberals you despise (and even though you claim - actual quote - that you are referring to the liberal elites - yet you still associate things they do and say with what I do and say (erroneously) and you STILL claim I support them. One reason might be that you are farther to the right that you accuse me of being to the left and maybe I just feel that in your sphere of discussion (which I believe you invited me into so I no longer feel like I am intruding unless I am told otherwise) there is NO BALANCED ANYTHING. And to support this I once again state that even when I state something that appears to be in agreement with you it is ignored and I am still accused of being in bed with the perverted liberals (ok I added that "perverted" comment for humor and effect)? Hmmm?
Apr. 3rd, 2012 06:03 pm (UTC)
Re: prt 1 ACORN
You are welcome to say anything you wish at any time.

I know exactly where you stand and also that facts don't matter to you so if I don't squander my time trying to deconstruct all your misrepresentations and errors forgive me.

What I present is facts, right out of the mouths of the people I critique and criticize ... real documentation. From those I express opinions, analysis, and predict outcomes.

I've learned it makes absoutlely no difference what documentation I present, how my predictions come throuhj, you will dismiss it.

Liberals LOVE to distract and bog their opponents down in endless details to control the discussion while ignoring the reality. I took debate too ... but was always at a disadvantage because I stuck to the facts while my opponents got away with tricks.

One thing remains clear and I was one of the first to see it.

Your side is destroying this country to rebuild it in according to your utopian fantasies, and you are doing it just as I said you would ... right out of the playbook.

A very old playbook but one that works because people are distracted and uninformed and have been conditioned to lust after free stuff.

What's so hard for you to admit?

So I am on to you, and Obama, and the Democrats, and the liberals, and the anarchists, communists, socialists, fascists, globalists, crony-capitalists .... everyone you have decided to get into bed with.

I don't condemn you for it. You have an ideology formed for whatever reasons and think you know what's best.

I know from my understanding of history and human psychology and philosophy it's BS.

And so you must try to convince others that you are just a harmless fluffy teddy bear who just wants unicorns and rainbows to dot the skiues.

I know better and ain't playing that game.

So as far as your utopian tyranny, count me out.

But please advancing your ideology and expressing your views, advancing your cause. When things collapse, when America as we have known it is no more, you'll have no reason to complain. ;-)

Apr. 2nd, 2012 12:52 pm (UTC)
Re: prt 2 NPR and the dreaded boat
In the case of NPR, O'Keefe offered to show the unedited tapes to answer claims that the conversation was not edited. Several that saw them have stated that they WERE edited in such a manner to be deliberately misleading.

James Poniewozik of Time - "The Twisty, Bent Truth of the NPR-Sting Video"

"Now a video editor, having reviewed the full, two-hour film that O’Keefe also posted online, has done a close analysis showing that several key scenes were edited misleadingly, and quotes taken out of context, in the more-publicized short form of the video."

And one of the critics - "right" wing darling poster boy Glen Beck (ha ha ha ha ha ha)...

and do we even have to go to the sleazy boat story that even sleaze master Brietbart found uncomfortable and distasteful (as if O'Keefe could have pulled if off anyway - I kinda wish he'd had a chance to make a complete and udder (sic) fool of himself).

And now repeated complaints of illegal use of recordings. As O'Keefe was not an accredit journalist, the activities he has conducted are illegal in many places (he did not do his homework which is obvious when people read OFFICIAL documentation on all this) and he has NO sense of DUE DILIGENCE that any professional journalist would in doing the proper background work , checking local legal requirements, follow up, etc.

And the only reason he did not get in more trouble in trying to bug a federal office was he had protection in the form of connections (who was it that was helping him pull his prank...?).

But he's your darling - so none of that matters.

Truth is, the more I watch and read and listen to this guy the more I realize that all he is really able to do is pull sophomoric pranks, catch people off guard, and demonstrate that just about anyone can be led to saying silly things, try to impress people inappropriately and end up putting their foot in their mouth if you try hard enough to catch it - and especially if you edit the hell out of the tapes. I am POSITIVE beyond doubt taht each and every one of us could and would be caught making fools of ourselves if ANYONE employed these tactics on us.

He is so absurdly unprofessional it should be an embarrassment to you all. No wonder so many on the right have stepped back from him and put in some distance. They do not want the backlash of being "punked" themselves...

Good stuff there... What an ideal example of what you guys can do...

Apr. 2nd, 2012 04:28 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
Sharpton is an ADVISER to the president who has visited him in the WH on many many occasions.

He has been a featured speaker at Democrat conventions and raises money for the Democrat Party (and vice-cersda).

He is an employee of NBC and every liberal news agence RUN to him whenever there is a "black" issue.

I could go on but I think I've made my point.

Anytime one of yours does or says something outrageous or disturbing you use the "Oh, he's just a comedian" or "He's a clown" or "Oh, that's just so and so being so and so".

The question should be, "Does ANYONE on your side ever say anything that makes sense?"

Apr. 2nd, 2012 02:41 pm (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
Why should you think that :

a: this surprises me or that I wouldn't know that?
b: that it would be a surprise to anyone?
c: that this would NOT happen?

So- uh - what point were you trying to make - I don't think you made one.

"every time one of 'mine" (? Really? Sharpton is one of "mine"? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA you so funny - check your associations again - you have them all fouled up - I have never referred to him as anything but a roadblock).... funny

etc... MAYBE it's because I DON'T ASSOCIATE with these people. Maybe because they aren't ...

wait for it...

aren't... MINE.

Maybe, just MAYBE, I am nowhere near what you keep telling yourself I am ... if you stopped putting words in my mouth, misinterpretation my words and or just making things up with regards to things I supposedly believe and support you would not have this confusion. Just because I don't like your heroes IT DOESN'T MEAN I LIKE THEIRS EITHER - a subtlety that you never seem to get even when it is in big bold text - maybe I should make it flashing lights?

You really have no idea what side I am on - and you just keep proving it over and over and over and over like the energizer bunny...

I just laughed coffee all over my keyboard... I gotta go clean it up now.

I love ya Ed... I want some good Cajun food. Wish we could do another round of beer and etoufee (is that spelled right - not sure).
Apr. 3rd, 2012 02:31 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
When you mock everything good and decent in this country, including patritic and informed human beings who just want to be left alone, but ignore every outrage being perpetrated on the American people by this radical president, his corrupt afministration, an increasingly left-wing Democrat Party and their propagandists in the majority of the American people, when you dismiss every fact (you choose to pull your head out of the ground to comment on) I present, you make it very clear where your sympathies lie.

You are one with those masterminds that currently inhabit the WH and the bureaucracy who think America as constituted is the problem and think you can force us (by hook or crook) to conform to your utopian dreams.

Not while we still have breath, bubba. ;-)
Apr. 3rd, 2012 02:56 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
So it is clear you DON;t have a clue what I think

I mock when I am mocked.

Everything good? Like ...
-not providing health care for everyone
-not taking profits dishonestly at the expense of the clients and even at the risk of maiming the world's financial systems
-moving HQs off shore as a means of paying a real tax rate that is par to most other countries, -opaque business practices that attempt to conceal financial wrong doings
-gay sex in public bathrooms
-election fixing
-lying to the world and starting a war of military adventurism under false pretenses
-gutting the US Federal Science Programs
-the cowboy "screw everybody" mentality
-avoiding international agreements
-illegal detentions
-suspension of Habeas Corpus
-extreme renditions contrary to international law, and assorted treaties
- Ignoring the long standing values of separation of church and state
- religious discrimination (and anti religious discrimination)
- rolling back pollution protections
- anti worker
- anti contract
- anti voter initiative
- legal but unethical insider trading
- lack of leadership
- no for no reason but obstruction
- waffling
- support for despots
- creating the LARGEST GOVERNMENT AGENCY ever... and the costliest... most secretive, and POWERFUL
- running up the debt and passing most of it off on the new guy without stepping up and claiming responsibility
- Need I say Watergate? or McCarthy? Or Johns Committee
- Absurd anti gay agenda
-absurd war on drugs
- hostility towards closest neighbors
- treason
- lying under oath
- bad aim (ok that's just for fun)
- claims that anyone doesn't agree with them (the "right") they are not good Americans
- Institutionalized murder
- lack of respect for public workers
- total destruction of the systems of Education (and logic) in the US
- keep us beholden to the Chinese and OPEC
- bigotry towards homosexuals
- A sense of compassion that would make their savior slap them silly - and would if it were possible

And that is the short list. I could go one...

So all the good things? Really? Educate me... what good things have I mocked?

Every one something that has been said or done by conservatives in my life.

I can make a liberal list too... this crap is not limited to one side...
Apr. 3rd, 2012 02:58 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...
and I did not even start on the regulatory stand down

religious content inserted into war justifications

religious rhetoric in EVERYTHING

passing off poor care of military on the current POTUS when in reality the system has been declining for decades and mostly under their watch

Wow... the list could go on for PAGES

Apr. 3rd, 2012 03:00 am (UTC)
Re: One mans trash...

when I point out where the liberals go wrong it is for the wrong reasons or it is ignored or by passed... I guess I don['t really mean it and I am just waiting for a second term to really release my true self...

HA HA HA HA HA HA you guys are so funny. and they are your guys.

you have said so.

Apr. 1st, 2012 04:52 am (UTC)
Oh and...
I'm curious to hear the rest of the case.

There are a lot of issues around Zimmerman.

Community watches are supposed to be registered with local law enforcement and operate through established programs that are designed to avoid the sort of events that occurred. They are not supposed to be armed - again to avoid the sort of issue that occurred. He was advised not to follow, and he did anyway.

Can you deny any of that?

This guy was forcing the confrontation from the sound of it.

It's a tragedy; but at least Zimmerman is alive. Martin is dead, and not able to speak for himself or answer to Zimmermans claims. What the Panthers and Lee did were inexcusable. Personally I think legal action should be employed against both.

That said, Zimmerman has a lot of explaining to do. It doesn't look good for him at this point. For his sake I hope he tells a good story. I know I am eager to hear it - and willing to hear it as well. Next time it could be some trigger happy wanna be cop that takes a shot at my kid.
Apr. 1st, 2012 12:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Oh and...
An individual has a right to be armed, and a right to walk up to and talk to people on the street. One does not lose these rights when one joins a neighborhood watch. At the most, one might be expelled from the neighborhood watch for doing so.
Apr. 1st, 2012 03:05 pm (UTC)
Re: Oh and...
If one works for, or is a member of a voluntary group that prohibits the use or carrying of firearms during their activities then the individual takes the full responsibility for their actions.

I never said he lost his right to carry - I said that these groups are designed and intended to be unarmed to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

There is no reason anyone with a carry permit cannot go out and do a private citizens watch routine on their own; but they run the risk of being held responsible of being a vigilante and having that used against them in a court should they end up shooting someone.

If you belong to a watch, are performing duties as a part of that organization and the watch rules say no firearms (which, since this one was not a sponsored program it may not have had such a rule) than if you have one you have already accepted a level of culpability. If the watch program doesn't have these rules than the watch program would be held liable at least in part for the action of a member that broke none of their rules.

If he was NOT acting as a part of the group's chartered responsibilities, then he was acting on his own. Ask Bernhard Goetz how that worked out for him. the law being cited as for why this guy was not arrested already was the "stand your ground" law. Read that law and you will see there is a big difference between standing your ground and pursuing someone. It is intended as a means to allow someone to protect their home and their family, not to go out and follow someone.

Zimmerman was advised by the police NOT TO FOLLOW Martin. He followed on his own. This guy certainly appears to have been looking for trouble. At best he has some sort of hero complex.

Apr. 2nd, 2012 04:20 am (UTC)
Re: Oh and...
Community watches are supposed to be registered with local law enforcement and operate through established programs that are designed to avoid the sort of events that occurred. They are not supposed to be armed - again to avoid the sort of issue that occurred. He was advised not to follow, and he did anyway.

Are you saying Zimmerman was illegally carrying a weapon?

This guy was forcing the confrontation from the sound of it.

How so? He claims he was walking back to his vehicle when Trayvon attacked him.

A human being was killed and it's still being investigated.

The ENTIRE liberal media have all but tried and convicted Zimmerman on the public air waves, cable and satellite. A racist group has put a bounty on Zimmerman's head and the president, the DOJ, the law enforcement community are almost silent.

Is THAT your idea of justice? Is that your definition of "civility"?

You have really weird criteria for deciding what is proper and acceptable behavior. ;-)

Apr. 2nd, 2012 01:13 pm (UTC)
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.

I NEVER said he was carrying an illegal weapon - go read that again.

He was told NOT TO FOLLOW - and did anyway. Leave the following to the professionals that are trained to do it and advised him not to.

His story of being attacked (at this time) has not been verified and has already been questioned.

The bounty is INEXCUSABLE. It has been reported and DOJ and police have already commented (interviewed on the news at least here in FL) on it here and that they are keeping an eye on the situation - as you say to me... do your research.

As for my "weird criteria for deciding what is proper and acceptable behavior." you are pulling a bit of editing yourself...

I have not stated that Zimmerman is Guilty. I have said that he is in a very bad looking situation that appears to be of his own creation and that I was waiting to see what came of the investigation.... but as usual, you (just like O'Keefe) only pick up on what you want and leave out all the supporting discussion and leap to conclusions that are completely off base.

We do not know enough about what happened (something you claim you never do) and of TM's actions to make a judgement on this. We only have the statements of the shooter right now - and even with the statements he has made and have been reported, his situation doesn't look good.

As for the media, I filter out their noise. As for Lee and the "racist group", their actions (and I have already said it) are worthy of at least a law suit, if not investigating. So yes I guess that means I MUST have "weird criteria for deciding what is proper and acceptable behavior."

Check your standards - that was pretty contradictory on your part.

Try again. You decided that my opinion was contrary before reading and digesting and made spurious claims. I thought you were never wrong on this stuff?
Apr. 3rd, 2012 02:54 am (UTC)
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.
Did I say you said it was illegal?

Go read it again. *lol*

He was NOT told not to follow. He was told, "We don't need you to do that." (I would not have followed unless perhaps with keeping a safe distance)

Please provide link to DOJ/law enforcement statements on bounty. I have been googling for statements for 5 days with no success.

Why has no one been arrested? Are bounties legal in Florida?

I have leapt to no conclusions. The MSM, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, The new Black Panthers, several Congresspersons, Spike Lee, and all the usual suspects have.

YOU, however, pooh-poohed my post documenting this dangerous and irresponsible media bias in typical liberal knee-jerk reaction ... I'm just making a big deal out of nothing.

I have never said anyone is innocent or guilty ... just that the handling and reporting of this whole tragedy has been a travesty.

Oh, so if MIKE filters out what he thinks is noise that's supposed to make it all better? :-D

Apr. 3rd, 2012 03:09 am (UTC)
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.
"We don't need you to do that." means DON'T FOLLOW I guess you have to treat him like a child...

Politicising somethin gthat is not political again...

He was arrested

The law enforcement said they are watching and they can actually say what ever they want . If the police arrested everyone that made a violent threat the jails would be even more full... plus NO ONE SUPPORTS WHAT THEY SAID What a desperate stretch.

Could you imagine the backlash if they actually attempted to arrest these people for the statement?

How can the Klan still exist?

How about religious organizations that have made violent threats on Abortion Clinics and doctors and nurses? Why aren't they all arrested?

Because the law doesn't work that way.

You have jumped to several conclusions - and so have they.

No I DO AGREE that the media in general made some bad calls. They nearly always do. In fact I made no such pooh-pooh.

You are guilty of what you accuse others of rather often. In this post alone you have made several false claims on me and the discussion IMHO. It is your reality.

Look it is a bad situation, for sure. Zimmerman might get cleared, he might not. I'm pretty sure from what you said that you will claim he was railroaded. Time will tell. I think I was pretty fair here in my statements. Where was I not?
Apr. 3rd, 2012 03:37 am (UTC)
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.
Where is that link to the DOJ and law enforcement statements on the New Black Panthers bounty?

I only found this one really "stern" written statement by the "City of Sanford":

"The City of Sanford does not condone the actions and recommendations of the New Black Panther Party. The City is requesting calm heads and no vigilante justice."

Ooops ... did I say "stern"?

Really drew a line in the sand did they? Maybe they should have said, "We don't need you to do that."

Gee ... I wonder what Mike would have posted had the local KKK issued a bounty on "pick your choice"?

Typical liberal double standard. You can have unbridled nastiness, filth and vitriol from the left 24/7 and that's no problem. One conservative radio host makes a single nasty comment in a lame attempt to show the absurdity of a situation and all Hell breaks loose.

You liberals never stray away from the book.

If not for your faithful enabling media slanting and mis-reporting the real news no one would take you seriously. :-D
Apr. 3rd, 2012 04:10 am (UTC)
Re: Oh and... really? I don't think you read that.
Let me get this straight... are you actually suggesting that I somehow support the NBP's absurd call for street justice?


Me, the pacifist and anti racist... me the guy who actually registered as a Consensus Objector but still served out his term in the service because of personal convictions (unlike a certain governor I recall)... really?

Who, That fool Geraldo? When was the last time he said ANYTHING of merit. I watch him when I need a laugh - it is all he's good for. So completely sure of himself like a certain POTUS I recall.

I notice you had a problem with John Stewart changing his name from his Jewish birth name. Do you also have a problem with Geraldo? Stewart was called out on it and NEVER denied it. Geraldo, I was watching the show where he DID get called out and DID try to downplay it - and, even if it matters not even the tiniest bit, I was annoyed with how it happened, I felt a little bad for him (until he became a total dope about it) and thought it was in poor form. But if you hold the objections to Stewart, why not Geraldo? I know this is a side issue - it just reminded me of your claim.

So back to the question... So... are you calling for the arrest of every member of any organization that makes a statement that they should kill people. I do believe that this makes them a terrorist organization, and a criminal organization. So are you prepared for the fall out... and are you prepared to take on the religious right, the klan, right wing militias, free texas militias, the religious nuts that have called for the death of Richard Dawkins, Are you suggesting that I support these people? Don't be juvenile. You can't even address legitimate comments or questions.

What book - I don't think I have read it

Where was I not fair - I ask again. Where did I say Zimmerman was guilty. Where did I say Martin didn't attack Zimmerman (we are not SURE that he did yet - and how do we know Zimmerman didn't physically attack Martin and Martin injured ( if he is) him in self defense). None of this is known right now - or at least has not been clearly put out to the public. I even said that I was willing to wait and see what comes out. You seem, on the other hand, to have jumped immediately to the pro-Zimmerman right wing crowd WITH JUST AS LITTLE EVIDENCE as I have and I NEVER CLAIMED anything you have accused me of yet again.

The police advised him not to follow. I guess you are suggesting he is not smart enough to understand that. If you are advised not to follow when you report suspicious activity (not that any suspicious activity has actually been reported yet) you are pretty much saying that you are willing to and might actually be looking for a confrontation.

So explain this all to me so I can make sense of it since I so obviously don't understand anything about anything and I am so amazingly obtuse I must have it spelled out... oh and don't forget to show me the error of my ways - and be accurate as I will be cross checking EVERYTHING...

Where, again, was I not fair?

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